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Poster: ScarletTouchFire Date: Jan 31, 2006 12:44am
Forum: etree Subject: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Hi all-

I just thought id opine on this and put in my 2 cents worth. Also, Id love to hear some feedback.

As a longtime fan and chronic pod-user, ive recently been "opening my mind" and listening to 1995 shows, and heres what ive been able to surmize.

First, By June, more speciffically the RFK show, Jerrys playing was completely shot, BUT vocally he appears to be as strong as ever. Now, can we say that JG was OFF THE WAGON and so cranked out that he couldnt play?? I DISAGREE. I think it was more along the lines of chronic arthritis/carpal tunnel that was effecting his playing. Now of course lack of proper blood flow due to drug use and bad dieting had a big part in this, so its all part of the same wheel. Still, there were some good nights thrown in there in 95. Delta Center and Highgate were a couple of examples.

As for Weir, i'd have to say that his sound in 95 was HORRIBLE, that tin can, spaceship sound was just NOT necessary for Weir. Hes a superior guitarist and doesnt need to be junkin' the sound with all those effects.

Overall, the rest of the band were loading up the effects and drowning Jerry out of the mix, on purpose im sure. Vince was coming into his own finally and had a nice Church organ sound developing. Mick/Bill were DOMINATING and had a this "driving African drum sound" going on that ive heard throughout 95 that i thought was quite nice.

Unfortunatley Phil was too often drowned out of the mix.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the state of affairs by 1995. I had stopped going by 1993 which i think was the LAST really powerful year they had.

I tend to think that if Jerry HADNT passed on, the band may have called it quits. Maybe doing a few shows a year, if that. Doctors probably would have noted that with his advanced Diabetes, Carpal Tunnel & Developing Arthritis, he couldnt continue.

Your thoughts?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 31, 2006 2:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

extremely well put - i agree with virtually everything you said - very good viewpoint and i think you hit the nail directly on the head. i think half of my problem in listening to the 95 shows is Bob's horrible sound - i don't know what he was thinking. i do agree too that a large part of jerry's problem in playing was the nerve damage. my guitar teacher was just operated on last month on both hands for carpal tunnel - i know from him that the pain is excruciating, especially while playing - one can barely hold a pick never mind trying to play well on high-gauge strings.
thanks for that post!!

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Poster: bonk Date: Jan 31, 2006 1:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Well put!6-30-95 pittsburg is very strong.Jers vocals were very good.I also think he just was not diggin it anymore

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 1, 2006 10:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Regarding 1995 Grateful Dead. The last time I saw Garcia look "healthy" was back in September 1993. His playing was vibrant and loud and his singing was strong. I saw 5 shows in 1995 (5-19, 5-20, 5-21, 7-02, 7-09). May 21st was the only performance that had that timeless Dead quality, a show in which I didn't have to cringe or hold my breath half the time. The other shows had their moments, but all in all, the band was suffering due to Garcia's "condition". The drums never sounded better, Weir was Weir, Lesh was on, Welnick was starting to loosen up and yet here was Gracia, looking like he was at least 10-15 years older than he was, struggling to play his trademark licks.

For those who have never experienced Carpal Tunnel syndrome, it can affect a musician in a very debilitating way. A finger or the entire hand may go numb or dead. A minimal effect would be tingling and loss of sensitivity. I've played the guitar for 12 years and I've had my bouts with it.

Garcia's body was shot in 1995. The Dead needed to take at least one year off and let Garcia rehab and woodshed. The very best scenerio ever imaginable would be to think that Garcia would have been able to come back refreshed and renewed like he did in late 92' with a reduced touring schedule. However, this is a pipedream, all in retrospect. Garcia lived his life and had his demons and it was unfortunate that it ended the way it did, but I cherise the memories and feel fortunate for places like the archive that I've encountered through the years to share the music.

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Poster: ScarletTouchFire Date: Feb 1, 2006 11:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Wow-

Fantastically well put! I agree. Although, i really hated Weirs souns in he mid 90's, MUCH preferred that rockin mid-80's sound that he had (take a listen to a crisp Cincinatti circa 85)

Its funny, but for some reason, i always saw Garcia as a sacrificial lamb, its hard to explain, but its almost like it HAD to end this way, and everyone knew it, maybe EVEN Jerry himself! Its almost like they all wanted out, but it could only happen if Jerry kicked over....

Ah well, he'll always live on with me....and know my little girl is dancing to the dvds....aint nuttin wrong with that!

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 5, 2006 7:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Strat: Thanks for your insightful and honest opinions, this board needs more of it. Your "best of" has become my guide to the archive, and has resulted in a lot of saved time searching out quality shows and individual tunes. Unfortunately, the truth is that for a variety of reasons there's a mountain of junk to wade through and a lot of it just isn't fit for pleasurable listening. There's poor recording quality, the Donna factor, good Phil bad Phil, dragging drums, Jerry's voice, Jerry's health, horrible harmony singing...and any one of another thousand factors that kept the stars from being aligned. The surge in Dicks Picks and the band's DL policy has served to really reduce the availability of full length quality shows here on the archive. I've taken to assembling discs from various "runs" to ease the pain of those bad moments. Going into the 90's there's not IMHO a lot to work with, so I DL the best representation of songs performed for each year. What is so ironic and unfortunate is that the superb assembly of material available on the archive is also such a realistic documentation of the decline of the Grateful Dead and more specifically, our beloved fat man. I can't bring myself to assemble a "best of" for 1995...it just wasn't a good year.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jul 5, 2006 8:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: pointer to new GD-specific forum

Just FYI for Deadhead readership: Since the start of this old thread, a new more focused Grateful Dead-specific forum has been created for the Grateful Dead collection here, see
http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead#forum

Enjoy! :)

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jan 31, 2006 10:14pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

jerry's vocals were ok in 1995 and that was
if he could remember the words..i guess the carpal tunnel and arthritis affected his brain/memory too.....

peace and jerry on !!!

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Jan 31, 2006 2:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Vince never did it me. He was just a hired gun.

After brent pass was the deads decline.You can hear it in the shows. They we going thru the motions and getting the bigbucks! It was never the same after brent. For sure.

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Poster: rioblanco Date: Jan 31, 2006 4:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Could not agree more. The Grateful Dead in '95 was like a great boxer whose time had come and gone. But, as the boxer who didn't know it was way past time to throw in the towel, the Dead kept going into the ring to do it again...and again....and again. And, sadly, like the boxer it just wasn't the same. Not even close. In fact, it was sad. Especially for those of us who were fortunate enough to be around for the whole ride. I got on the bus in '67 and never got off. That is until the playing, as well as the vibe, was so poor I just couldn't bear to watch or listen to them during the last few years they were together.
There are those who feel, and always will, that the Dead could do no wrong. That's simply not right and the music as well as the live shows prove it all too well.

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Poster: ScarletTouchFire Date: Jan 31, 2006 4:45am
Forum: etree Subject: THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSE!

Very KIND words from all. I will have to take issue with the poster who said the Dead went downhill after Mydland died. Now while I was a HUGE Mydland fan (and the son of a Jazz pianist) There were CERTAINLY some shows post-Mydland that were electrifying. I'm sure many will agree that Fall Tour 90' brings back MANY MANY MANY fond memories. Ive often wanted to compile a "list" of the top TEN GD "Moments" from 73 on, and when i say moments i mean 1 min. or less passages that will forever go down in GD lore. An example: 1) Bill Grams legenday intro at the Music Hall in 75 may BE the alltime end all be all GD "moment" just thinking about it makes me shiver! More recently, the back and forth exchange between Mydland and Garcia during Not Fade Away on the 4th of July in Buffalo 89 (you know the "moment" im talking about!)is quickly becoming the stuff of legend, and watching it on DVD will put a tear in your eye when you realize how goddang good JG and Mydland were together. Kindered spirits both of em'. BUT, TO GET BACK ON POINT,,,,,you have to take into consideration 9-20-90 post-space as maybe 45 of the best minutes the GD have played in MANY years. It is in a single word....electrifying, AND the "moment" where the Playin Reprise goes BACK into Dark Star, and the eruption of the MSG crowd as an "all-time" GD moment.

Well, anyway, time to punch out!
Great talkin to you all....

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Jan 31, 2006 5:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

Amen. 1990 on was a steady down hill slide with only a few flashes. I think the best JG during this time frame came outside the GD and is much more enjoyable to listen to.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Jan 31, 2006 6:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

carpal tunnel?? arthritis? I've never heard of these diagnoses. But I actually love the idea of a better excuse for Garcia than just being smacked out. There are bad shows in all Grateful Dead periods. 1995 looks really bad in retrospect, I suppose. But you can find some excellent '95ers out there and I would agree about Three Rivers.

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Poster: Uncle Jimmy Date: Jan 31, 2006 6:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

hey.. big revelation. the dead weren't that great toward the end. this was 10 years ago, man.

let garcia RIP and leave him alone. it was ALL GOOD for one reason or the next, even when it sucked.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Jan 31, 2006 10:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

I'm not talkin sh*t, "man." I seriously like the ideas of hand problems because I've always liked '90s Dead in the main.

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Poster: Uncle Jimmy Date: Jan 31, 2006 11:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

i didn't mean you in particular. dude.

did not intend to offend.

i still think this is pretty weak to break all of this stuff down. the guy literally gave his life to us fans for 30 years, and that just doesn't seem to be enough. this isn't academic.. it's a real human being who started something that gained such momentum that he had to ride with it for good or ill. may you be so lucky to create something that other people love enough to trash when you are gone to the great nightclub in the sky.


man.

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Poster: jonhuck Date: May 17, 2007 11:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

yesterday is tomorrow - space cruises really do take to away.... ;-)

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Poster: jonhuck Date: May 17, 2007 11:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The State of the Grateful Dead in 1995

This game is only fun with players ;0)

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